Unwanted Antenna Coupling
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Excuses offered for not worrying about receiver damage from close-spaced
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Band | 400-foot spacing | 200-foot spacing | 100-foot spacing | 50-foot spacing | 25-foot spacing |
160 | 26 watts | 66 watts | 207 watts | ||
80 | 7.5 watts | 29 watts | 67.5 watts | 223 watts | |
40 | 2 watts | 7.5 watts | 29 watts | 67.5 watts | 223 watts |
20 | 0.5 watts | 2 watts | 7.5 watts | 29 watts | 67.5 watts |
10 | 0.125 watts | 0.5 watts | 2 watts | 7.5 watts | 29 watts |
Dipole-to-vertical that is broadside-to and centered-on the dipole, perfect ground,
and 1000 watts
Band | 400-foot spacing | 200-foot spacing | 100-foot spacing | 50-foot spacing | 25-foot spacing |
160 | 0.13 watts | 0.38 watts | 0.79 watts | ||
80 | .049 watts | 0.13 watts | 0.38 watts | 0.79 watts | |
40 | .013 watts | .049 watts | 0.13 watts | 0.38 watts | 0.79 watts |
20 | .013 watts | .049 watts | 0.13 watts | 0.38 watts | |
10 | .013 watts | .049 watts | 0.13 watts |
Vertical-to-dipole, dipole oriented so vertical is nearly in line with the dipole’s end
Band | 400-foot spacing | 200-foot spacing | 100-foot spacing | 50-foot spacing | 25-foot spacing |
160 | 1.9 watts | 4 watts | 10.5 watts | ||
80 | .41 watts | 1.6 watts | 4.1 watts | 10.5 watts | |
40 | .10 watts | .41 watts | 1.6 watts | 4.1 watts | 10.5 watts |
20 | .11 watts | .41 watts | 1.6 watts | 4.1 watts | |
10 | .11 watts | .41 watts | 1.6 watts |
Dipole-to-dipole, broadside to each other, 1/4 wave above earth, with good
conductivity soil
Band | 400-foot spacing | 200-foot spacing | 100-foot spacing | 50-foot spacing | 25-foot spacing |
160 | 14 watts | 76.2 watts | 296 watts | 490 watts | |
80 | 1.5 watts | 14 watts | 76.2 watts | 296 watts | 490 watts |
40 | .11 watts | 1.5 watts | 14 watts | 76.2 watts | 296 watts |
20 | .0075 watts* | .11 watts | 1.5 watts | 14 watts | 76.2 watts |
10 | .000486 watts* | .0075 watts* | .11 watts | 1.5 watts | 14 watts |
* Green cells antenna in farfield with elevation pattern
creating a null, making drop in receiver power very abrupt.
Depending on antenna height, soil conductivity, and quality of balance and
construction, power levels can increase or decrease substantially. Remember the
above is for same-band antennas.
Different Band (Harmonic) Coupling and Damage
Looking at the case of a 80-meter dipole’s fundamental signal to a 40-meter
dipole. The antennas are broadside, 50 feet apart, and 100 feet high. The
40-meter antenna is terminated in a matched 50-ohm lossless feed line:
Transmitter power = 1000 watts on 80 meters Receiver on 40 meters Voltage = 4.5 V |
For a 40-meter harmonic on the 80-meter transferring to the 40-meter antenna,
again assuming perfectly matched lossless feed lines (which will never happen),
we have:
Harmonic power 100mW
Receiver Voltage = 0.25V
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Receiver levels would be considerably less than this, because the 40 meter
SWR to the 80-meter transmitter would be very high.
40-meter levels, with a kilowatt into the 80-meter antenna, are:
Transmitter 1000 watts 7.1 MHz
Receiver 5.3V |
Worse-case fundamental coupling is from 40- to 80-meters, which might be be
even stronger if the 80-meter antenna is matched to the receiver for 40 meters.
In all cases, a harmonic filter for transmitters is not even close to being
necessary to prevent equipment damage. A receiver input filter, for the band the
receiver is on (different than the other transmitter), is normally
required.
Same Band Power Coupling Between Two 80-Meter Dipole Antennas
The antenna is a source for the receiver when receiving, and the receiver is
the load. While the antenna determines SWR when transmitting, the receiver’s
input impedance determines feed line SWR when receiving.
We can model antenna coupling using a program like EZNEC. With two broadside 80-meter dipoles,
each 67-feet high over
medium soil, with the antennas spaced 200 feet apart, we have the following
receiver voltage, current, and power levels for matched receiver input, shorted
receiver input,
and open receiver input:
EZNEC+ ver. 5.0
80 meter dipoles spaced 200 ft —— Transmitter data ——– Frequency = 3.5 MHz Voltage = 288.6 V at 4.82 deg.
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EZNEC+ ver. 5.0
80 meter dipoles spaced 200 ft ————— Receiver DATA ————— Frequency = 3.5 MHz Voltage = 34.42 V at 39.71 deg. Total transmitter power = 1000 watts |
EZNEC+ ver. 5.0 80 meter dipoles spaced 200 ft —— Transmitter data ——– Frequency = 3.5 MHz Voltage = 288.6 V at 4.82 deg.
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EZNEC+ ver. 5.0 80 meter dipoles spaced 200 ft —————Receiver short DATA ————— Frequency = 3.5 MHz
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EZNEC+ ver. 5.0
80 meter dipoles spaced 200 ft
Frequency = 3.5 MHz Source 1 Voltage = 288.6 V at 4.82 deg.
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EZNEC+ ver. 5.0
80 meter dipoles spaced 200 ft ————— Receiver open DATA ————— Frequency = 3.5 MHz
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Actual voltage and current is probably somewhere around the matched value,
but the second antenna can deliver up to .83 amperes, or 100-volts peak
voltage, to a receiver depending on receiver input impedance. This can cause
receiver damage, even though the antennas are 200-feet apart, not very high, and
horizontally polarized.
Coupled Power, very close-spaced elements, different bands
Five-foot spacing between elements
Frequency = 21 MHz
Total applied power = 1000 watts
Load on 1 (20M element)
Termination Impedance = 50 + J 0 ohms
Voltage = 50.37 V
Current = 1.007 A
Total load power = 50.74 watts
The 20 meter element looks like 155.8 +j434.7 ohms on 15 meters. In theory if
we terminate that element with the conjugate, we will have maximum coupling.
Frequency = 21 MHz Total applied power = 1000 watts
Load 1 Voltage = 753.6 V
Current = 1.632 A
Impedance = 155.8 – J 434.7 ohms
Total load power = 414.9 watts
With the very same spacing and power, if the 15M termination impedance of the
20 meter element is 155.8 -j434.7, we now have 415 watts coupled power.
Obviously the impedance reflected back to the 20M element is critical, yet no
one to this date considers this. Not antenna manufacturers, not filter
manufacturers, and not articles on filters or stubs.
Near-minimum coupling would occur when the filter/transmission line
combination, on 15 meters but at the 20 meter element feedpoint, would be
closest to a dead short or open with inductive reactance. Since the resistive
part is 155-ohms, a 1 ohm j0 termination on 15 meters would be a 155:1 mismatch.
It would be difficult to obtain 155*155= 24025 ohms on 15 without hurting 20, so
a low resistance with inductive sign appears to be a better target for feeder
and filter (stub) on the 20M element.
With a 20 meter open 1/2 wave stub across the 20M element, and assuming 50 j0
as the 15M load on the 20 meter element, we have:
Frequency = 21 MHz Total applied power = 1000 watts
Load 1 Voltage = 22.09 V
Current = 0.4417 A
Impedance = 50 + J 0 ohms
Total load power = 9.756 watts
With the other solution, which is a 20 meter shorted 1/4wave stub across the
20 meter feedpoint, we have:
Frequency = 21 MHz Total applied power = 1000 watts
Load 1 Voltage = 44.77 V
Current = 0.8954 A
Impedance = 50 + J 0 ohms
Total load power = 40.09 watts
These load power levels are not etched in stone, because they ASSUME the
receiver looks like 50 j0 on 15 meters when the receiver is set to 20 meters.
Actual receiver power will almost certainly be much less than the above cases,
although it could be more with sour lengths of feed line in combination with
certain receiver input impedances.
While I don’t have time to look at combinations in more detail, the purpose
of this is to show that nearly all stub and filter, or antenna coupling analysis
on the Web and in articles, that do not consider source and load impedances, are
incorrect. Electrical distance from filter or stub to the antenna and the radio
system has a large effect on attenuation and coupled power. Unfortunately this
distance varies with the type of filter, radio (or amplifier), or antenna. Here
are some general rules:
- The stub belongs at the antenna element, and the optimum stub type and
length varies with the antenna characteristics. In general (except for cases
of odd-multiple resonances), a short is always best, so a high-Q
series-resonant trap will likely always be better than a stub. - If a stub is used, it is worth investigating optimum type and optimum
distance from load or source. - Coupled power is never what a 50 ohm load shows
- Heat or stress on a filter is never what a 50-ohm load test shows
- Power is largely reflected from filters and stubs, NOT
absorbed
Safe Way to Test
The best way to prevent damage is to measure power from one antenna to a
dummy load while the other transmitter is running at maximum power. This us an idea of the path loss between antennas. If one or both antennas are on
rotors, they should be rotated for maximum signal level.
I measured my antennas with a selective level meter, and a wide-range
matching network to tune for maximum power (or a load that really represents the
equipment impedance). This allowed
coupled power measurements at greatly reduced (safe) power levels.
I have some measurements on this page
http://www.w8ji.com/coaxial_cable_leakage.htm and in the text below.
In this group of single-tower antennas, highest coupling occurs from the 15-meter
antenna to the 40-meter antenna system. The 15-meter Yagi couples to the 40-meter Yagis on 15-meters
with -31 dB attenuation, because the 40-meter Yagis below the 15 meter antenna
is harmonically resonant on 15 meters.
With 45-foot spacing, because of impedance and resonance mismatches, there is
negligible measured coupling from 40- to 20-meter antennas. This is also true
for all other bands tested, because
the antennas do not work well on harmonics.
This system also has potential problems from a low 80-meter dipole on this
tower to a SE/NW broadside 80-meter dipole, up 160-feet on a 318-foot tower.
Despite over 250-foot spacing, coupling between these two 80-meter antennas is high enough to
raise concerns of receiver damage. This could happen if both antennas are used on 80-meters at the same time
at high power.
Signal levels from the 160-meter vertical antennas, even with
350-feet of spacing, are also worrisome in my old high 160-meter dipole. This is
mostly because my high 160-meter dipole is not directly broadside to my
160-meter verticals. Fortunately, I almost never use my transmitting antennas to
receive on 160.
160-Meter Antenna Coupling
The table below lists receiver port levels and path loss
between my transmitting and receiving antennas on 160-meters.
TX antennas: eight direction 4-square and 200-ft omni, with omni
centered in 4-square
Reference antenna: 70-foot vertical 375 feet SW of TX antenna
center point
Rear Bev: ~1500 feet SW of TX antennas
Rear Verticals: 8-cir array ~1200 feet SW of TX antennas
NE Front New: Pair of broadside 800-foot Beverages, 375 feet
broadside, about 600 ft NNW of TX antenna
NE Front Bev old: pair of broadside 1200 ft beverages
300 feet NE of TX antennas
Antenna test null system 10/26/2011 | Power at 5 watts | all levels in dBm or dB | ||||||||||||
nflr-76 | tx ants | tx ants | tx ants | tx ants | tx ants | tx ants | tx ants | tx ants | tx ants | TX delta | MAX | MIN | ||
rear vert | omni | N | NE | E | SE | S | SW | W | NW | |||||
N | -26.47 | -36.37 | -39.14 | -34.12 | -37.5 | -25.4 | -22.25 | -25.15 | -34.9 | 16.89 | -22.25 | -39.14 | ||
NE | -23.3 | -28.95 | -41 | -28.38 | -26 | -19.5 | -17.05 | -20.5 | -28.15 | 23.95 | -17.05 | -41 | ||
E | -29.47 | -42.74 | -44.3 | -37.1 | -34.6 | -38.75 | -33.4 | -36.9 | -39.7 | 14.83 | -29.47 | -44.3 | ||
SE | -30.9 | -40 | -51.3 | -44.8 | -42 | -30 | -28.2 | -31.4 | -41.4 | 23.1 | -28.2 | -51.3 | ||
S | -31.15 | -38.65 | -47.8 | -50.5 | -41.8 | -28.8 | -27.65 | -31 | -41 | 22.85 | -27.65 | -50.5 | ||
SW | -29.75 | -39.85 | -51.6 | -44.3 | -42.4 | -30 | -28.1 | -31.3 | -41.1 | 23.5 | -28.1 | -51.6 | ||
W | -26.3 | -37.7 | -52 | -47.6 | -38.75 | -28.5 | -27.5 | -31.15 | -39.5 | 25.7 | -26.3 | -52 | ||
NW | -32.55 | -40.15 | -51 | -53.6 | -41.9 | -30.35 | -29.5 | -32.8 | -42.8 | 24.1 | -29.5 | -53.6 | ||
Reference | -13.8 | -20.95 | -29 | -19.8 | -21.3 | -12.5 | -9.45 | -11.8 | -19.8 | 19.55 | -9.45 | -29 | ||
Losses | ||||||||||||||
N vrt to ref | 12.67 | 15.42 | 10.14 | 14.32 | 16.2 | 12.9 | 12.8 | 13.35 | 15.1 | 6.06 | 16.2 | 10.14 | ||
NE vrt to ref | 9.5 | 8 | 12 | 8.58 | 4.7 | 7 | 7.6 | 8.7 | 8.35 | 7.3 | 12 | 4.7 | ||
E vrt to ref | 15.67 | 21.79 | 15.3 | 17.3 | 13.3 | 26.25 | 23.95 | 25.1 | 19.9 | 12.95 | 26.25 | 13.3 | ||
SE vrt to ref | 17.1 | 19.05 | 22.3 | 25 | 20.7 | 17.5 | 18.75 | 19.6 | 21.6 | 7.9 | 25 | 17.1 | ||
S vrt to ref | 17.35 | 17.7 | 18.8 | 30.7 | 20.5 | 16.3 | 18.2 | 19.2 | 21.2 | 14.4 | 30.7 | 16.3 | ||
SW vrt to ref | 15.95 | 18.9 | 22.6 | 24.5 | 21.1 | 17.5 | 18.65 | 19.5 | 21.3 | 8.55 | 24.5 | 15.95 | ||
W vrt to ref | 12.5 | 16.75 | 23 | 27.8 | 17.45 | 16 | 18.05 | 19.35 | 19.7 | 15.3 | 27.8 | 12.5 | ||
NW vrt to ref | 18.75 | 19.2 | 22 | 33.8 | 20.6 | 17.85 | 20.05 | 21 | 23 | 15.95 | 33.8 | 17.85 | ||
rear bev | omni | N | NE | E | SE | S | SW | W | NW | |||||
N | -16.58 | -23 | -44.8 | -31 | -31 | -14.1 | -15.4 | -17.3 | -25.1 | 30.7 | -14.1 | -44.8 | ||
NE | -20.75 | -26.75 | -37.9 | -31.75 | -26.3 | -17.85 | -20.7 | -24.8 | -30.5 | 20.05 | -17.85 | -37.9 | ||
E | -28.1 | -31.7 | -40.65 | -34.7 | -30.5 | -24.9 | -30.4 | -33.7 | -36.5 | 15.75 | -24.9 | -40.65 | ||
SE | -27.9 | -33.7 | -42.75 | -39.9 | -38.5 | -25.3 | -26.3 | -28.5 | -35.1 | 17.45 | -25.3 | -42.75 | ||
S | -28 | -32.9 | -42.3 | -37.7 | -34.7 | -25.2 | -27 | -29.5 | -34.7 | 17.1 | -25.2 | -42.3 | ||
SW | -24.6 | -30.7 | -34.3 | -31.8 | -30.9 | -22.5 | -21.9 | -24.5 | -29.8 | 12.4 | -21.9 | -34.3 | ||
W | -40 | -46.7 | -49.6 | -47.9 | -51 | -38 | -37 | -39.2 | -45.3 | 14 | -37 | -51 | ||
NW | -40 | -46.6 | -50.85 | -46.1 | -47.9 | -38.4 | -37.7 | -39.4 | -45.9 | 13.15 | -37.7 | -50.85 | ||
Reference | -13.26 | -19 | -21.27 | -17.85 | -19.4 | -11.5 | -9.85 | -11.6 | -17.65 | 11.42 | -9.85 | -21.27 | ||
Losses | ||||||||||||||
N bev to ref | 3.32 | 4 | 23.53 | 13.15 | 11.6 | 2.6 | 5.55 | 5.7 | 7.45 | 20.93 | 23.53 | 2.6 | ||
NE bev to ref | 7.49 | 7.75 | 16.63 | 13.9 | 6.9 | 6.35 | 10.85 | 13.2 | 12.85 | 10.28 | 16.63 | 6.35 | ||
E bev to ref | 14.84 | 12.7 | 19.38 | 16.85 | 11.1 | 13.4 | 20.55 | 22.1 | 18.85 | 11 | 22.1 | 11.1 | ||
SE bev to ref | 14.64 | 14.7 | 21.48 | 22.05 | 19.1 | 13.8 | 16.45 | 16.9 | 17.45 | 8.25 | 22.05 | 13.8 | ||
S bev to ref | 14.74 | 13.9 | 21.03 | 19.85 | 15.3 | 13.7 | 17.15 | 17.9 | 17.05 | 7.33 | 21.03 | 13.7 | ||
SW bev to ref | 11.34 | 11.7 | 13.03 | 13.95 | 11.5 | 11 | 12.05 | 12.9 | 12.15 | 2.95 | 13.95 | 11 | ||
W bev to ref | 26.74 | 27.7 | 28.33 | 30.05 | 31.6 | 26.5 | 27.15 | 27.6 | 27.65 | 5.1 | 31.6 | 26.5 | ||
NW bev to ref | 26.74 | 27.6 | 29.58 | 28.25 | 28.5 | 26.9 | 27.85 | 27.8 | 28.25 | 2.84 | 29.58 | 26.74 | ||
Frnt Bev | omni | N | NE | E | SE | S | SW | W | NW | |||||
NE New | -23.45 | -17.15 | -22.75 | -27.5 | -29.45 | -25 | -28.3 | -25.25 | -18.36 | 12.3 | -17.15 | -29.45 | -109 dBm | |
NE Old | -11.93 | -11.9 | -9.82 | -10.5 | -25.4 | -19.15 | -21.1 | -16.1 | -26.1 | 16.28 | -9.82 | -26.1 | -112 dBm | |
Reference | -13.26 | -19 | -21.27 | -17.85 | -19.4 | -11.5 | -9.85 | -11.6 | -17.65 | 11.42 | -9.85 | -21.27 | ||
Losses | ||||||||||||||
N bev to ref | 10.19 | -1.85 | 1.48 | 9.65 | 10.05 | 13.5 | 18.45 | 13.65 | 0.71 | 20.3 | 18.45 | -1.85 | ||
NE bev to ref | -1.33 | -7.1 | -11.45 | -7.35 | 6 | 7.65 | 11.25 | 4.5 | 8.45 | 22.7 | 11.25 | -11.45 | ||